Comments on: No Margin For Error http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/ Internet Marketing, Website Promotion and Blogging Advice Sun, 29 Jan 2012 02:18:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The History of CSS Resets | WordPress Crunch http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-209305 The History of CSS Resets | WordPress Crunch Sun, 22 May 2011 16:33:43 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-209305 [...] are hyperlinks (<a>), images (<img>), headings (<h1> through <h6>), and the margins and padding given to various [...] [...] are hyperlinks (<a>), images (<img>), headings (<h1> through <h6>), and the margins and padding given to various [...]

]]> By: Paul OB http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-203440 Paul OB Sat, 16 Apr 2011 10:08:56 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-203440 @MiB: Thanks for your comments. Re:"I find both your prerequisites and conclusions quite odd. " You'll need to make specific points and detail your reasons if you want a proper discussion on this matter as saying "it's quite odd" is in itself..... a little odd.:) RE:"Why would anyone use the global * when they can reset margins and paddings on the elements they use with a multiple selector?" I'm not quite sure what you are getting at but people would use *{margin:0;padding:0} instead of the mile long reset (http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/) because it is easier to implement and easier to remember. However, as I have mentioned in the article it's not my preferred method (these days I prefer a very small reset and then just reset things as I use them). Re:"The solution aren’t catch-all solutions instead of real knowledge, but proper knowledge and a detailed systematic approach to using css.designs." I believe that's basically what I was saying from the start and the article was about explicitly controlling the elements that you use and raising awareness of the implications that arise from styles applied via the UAs stylesheet. The article is over 4 years old now but still stands up quite well to scrutiny and is just as pertinent today as it ever was. @MiB: Thanks for your comments.

Re:”I find both your prerequisites and conclusions quite odd. ”

You’ll need to make specific points and detail your reasons if you want a proper discussion on this matter as saying “it’s quite odd” is in itself….. a little odd.:)

RE:”Why would anyone use the global * when they can reset margins and paddings on the elements they use with a multiple selector?”

I’m not quite sure what you are getting at but people would use *{margin:0;padding:0} instead of the mile long reset (http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/) because it is easier to implement and easier to remember.

However, as I have mentioned in the article it’s not my preferred method (these days I prefer a very small reset and then just reset things as I use them).

Re:”The solution aren’t catch-all solutions instead of real knowledge, but proper knowledge and a detailed systematic approach to using css.designs.”

I believe that’s basically what I was saying from the start and the article was about explicitly controlling the elements that you use and raising awareness of the implications that arise from styles applied via the UAs stylesheet.

The article is over 4 years old now but still stands up quite well to scrutiny and is just as pertinent today as it ever was.

]]> By: MiB http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-203051 MiB Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:19:38 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-203051 Paul, beside your observations on form elements I find both your prerequisites and conclusions quite odd. Why would anyone use the global * when they can reset margins and paddings on the elements they use with a multiple selector? The solution aren't catch-all solutions instead of real knowledge, but proper knowledge and a detailed systematic approach to using css.designs. I got inspiration for my personal system from Michael Bowers 2007 book "Pro CSS and HTML Design Patterns" on apress (1-59059-804-0). Paul, beside your observations on form elements I find both your prerequisites and conclusions quite odd.

Why would anyone use the global * when they can reset margins and paddings on the elements they use with a multiple selector?
The solution aren’t catch-all solutions instead of real knowledge, but proper knowledge and a detailed systematic approach to using css.designs.
I got inspiration for my personal system from Michael Bowers 2007 book “Pro CSS and HTML Design Patterns” on apress (1-59059-804-0).

]]> By: Kars http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-202611 Kars Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:57:56 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-202611 Hi Kris, so true what you're telling. Hate MSIE! Hi Kris, so true what you’re telling. Hate MSIE!

]]> By: Kris http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-191541 Kris Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:44:23 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-191541 Almost four years, and a couple of versions of IE, later and this article is still as relevant as when it was first written. I stupidly viewed a recent web project in IE, only to discover rendering 'issues' in Firefox, Opera and Chrome. The actual 'issue' lies with Internet Explorer of course, which does indeed suck in a rather large fashion. I can't believe that there isn't some sort of industry standard for all browsers - why should web designers have to worry about cross-browser compatibility, when Microsoft could simply comply with the rest of the rational world? Not does IE cause layout issues, it takes the longest time to download (about 3 times longer than FF, Chrome or Opera), tries to force a pile of crappy unwanted add-ons onto the user (instead of letting you choose your add-ons later) and guess what happened the first time I ran IE8?... ..."Internet Explorer has encountered an error, and needs to close"... ...different day, same old Microsoft. I couldn't understand how people could use anything other than IE up until I started designing websites a couple of years back - now I've went from being Microsoft's biggest fan to one of their (many) critics. Great article by the way. I wish I had read it before getting stressed out by margins etc. Almost four years, and a couple of versions of IE, later and this article is still as relevant as when it was first written. I stupidly viewed a recent web project in IE, only to discover rendering ‘issues’ in Firefox, Opera and Chrome. The actual ‘issue’ lies with Internet Explorer of course, which does indeed suck in a rather large fashion. I can’t believe that there isn’t some sort of industry standard for all browsers – why should web designers have to worry about cross-browser compatibility, when Microsoft could simply comply with the rest of the rational world?

Not does IE cause layout issues, it takes the longest time to download (about 3 times longer than FF, Chrome or Opera), tries to force a pile of crappy unwanted add-ons onto the user (instead of letting you choose your add-ons later) and guess what happened the first time I ran IE8?…

…”Internet Explorer has encountered an error, and needs to close”…

…different day, same old Microsoft. I couldn’t understand how people could use anything other than IE up until I started designing websites a couple of years back – now I’ve went from being Microsoft’s biggest fan to one of their (many) critics.

Great article by the way. I wish I had read it before getting stressed out by margins etc.

]]> By: My div spacing in FireFox – solved « Virtual Assistant Website Programmer http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-166501 My div spacing in FireFox – solved « Virtual Assistant Website Programmer Sat, 22 May 2010 13:39:09 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-166501 [...] and forums; all of which I tried. It wasn’t until I found Paul OB’s article “No Margin For Error” that I discovered I wasn’t the only one who has encountered this [...] [...] and forums; all of which I tried. It wasn’t until I found Paul OB’s article “No Margin For Error” that I discovered I wasn’t the only one who has encountered this [...]

]]> By: If you have forms on your site… http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-164829 If you have forms on your site… Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:15:26 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-164829 [...] .. read this basic css margin article – it covers some form specific details that are excellent. read me [...] [...] .. read this basic css margin article – it covers some form specific details that are excellent. read me [...]

]]> By: My div spacing in FireFox – solved « Sunfrog Services LLC http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-158910 My div spacing in FireFox – solved « Sunfrog Services LLC Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:52:51 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-158910 [...] and forums; all of which I tried. It wasn’t until I found Paul OB’s article “No Margin For Error” that I discovered I wasn’t the only one who has encountered this [...] [...] and forums; all of which I tried. It wasn’t until I found Paul OB’s article “No Margin For Error” that I discovered I wasn’t the only one who has encountered this [...]

]]> By: Sylwester w Górach http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-158906 Sylwester w Górach Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:45:42 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-158906 Preety good article i eaven use some of it to make my web sites better. Thak You Preety good article i eaven use some of it to make my web sites better.

Thak You

]]> By: Nemanja http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-157719 Nemanja Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:11:58 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-157719 Paul, thank you very, very much, this article made all the difference in the world to me today! Brilliant. Paul, thank you very, very much, this article made all the difference in the world to me today! Brilliant.

]]> By: sandrar http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-151268 sandrar Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:51:31 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-151268 Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post... nice! I love your blog. :) Cheers! Sandra. R. Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post… nice! I love your blog. :) Cheers! Sandra. R.

]]> By: Paul OB http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-148234 Paul OB Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:50:56 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-148234 Hi Sriraj, You should seek help in the sitepoint forums: http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=53 The posts here are only concerned with discussing the techniques in the article. Hi Sriraj,

You should seek help in the sitepoint forums:

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=53

The posts here are only concerned with discussing the techniques in the article.

]]> By: sriraj http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-148175 sriraj Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:08:45 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-148175 HI I am new to css i got a task that text scrolling is working in FF but not in IE6 & IE7 can u please tell me where I have to make changes .and also in iE6 shading coming around the images but its working good in FF and IE7.Please clarify these two issues. Thanks sriraj HI

I am new to css i got a task that text scrolling is working in FF but not in IE6 & IE7 can u please tell me where I have to make changes .and also in iE6 shading coming around the images but its working good in FF and IE7.Please clarify these two issues.

Thanks
sriraj

]]> By: Hieu Blog » Blog Archive » 10 Quick Tips for an Easier CSS Life http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-141853 Hieu Blog » Blog Archive » 10 Quick Tips for an Easier CSS Life Sat, 16 May 2009 03:00:23 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-141853 [...] This is covered in depth in this article “No Margin For Error”. [...] [...] This is covered in depth in this article “No Margin For Error”. [...]

]]> By: Swallow my design » Hello world! http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/comment-page-2/#comment-137903 Swallow my design » Hello world! Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:21:04 +0000 http://www.search-this.com/2007/03/12/no-margin-for-error/#comment-137903 [...] This is covered in depth in this article “No Margin For Error”. [...] [...] This is covered in depth in this article “No Margin For Error”. [...]

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