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		<title>By: Screen Resolution &#171; A Place for CS3382</title>
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		<dc:creator>Screen Resolution &#171; A Place for CS3382</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Golgotha - the handheld media type isn&#039;t very widely supported unfortunately (e.g. the iPhone doesn&#039;t support it).
@rAM - you use max-width.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Golgotha &#8211; the handheld media type isn&#8217;t very widely supported unfortunately (e.g. the iPhone doesn&#8217;t support it).<br />
@rAM &#8211; you use max-width.</p>
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		<title>By: rAm</title>
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		<dc:creator>rAm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You made a very pertinent point.

following the above conversation, i am wonder if there is any way to find have a fluid layout until a resoultion and have it behave fixed after that.
eg: until 1280* resolution, it behaves fluid and after that it behaves fixed?

any thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made a very pertinent point.</p>
<p>following the above conversation, i am wonder if there is any way to find have a fluid layout until a resoultion and have it behave fixed after that.<br />
eg: until 1280* resolution, it behaves fluid and after that it behaves fixed?</p>
<p>any thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bradish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Bradish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I design websites I usually go with a fluid design. In most niches I&#039;ve found that the average visitor is still on 1024x768 and IE :).

My technical blog however is a very different story... I would say the average resolution is higher and an overwhelming majority of Mozilla Firefox users!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I design websites I usually go with a fluid design. In most niches I&#8217;ve found that the average visitor is still on 1024&#215;768 and IE <img src='http://www.search-this.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>My technical blog however is a very different story&#8230; I would say the average resolution is higher and an overwhelming majority of Mozilla Firefox users!</p>
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		<title>By: Golgotha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golgotha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cpradio and John - good call, smaller screens are certainly something to consider too. There is that CSS media type &#039;handheld&#039; that I would think you could use? I haven&#039;t used the &#039;handheld&#039; type yet, but I imagine it would be similar to the &#039;print&#039; type that I do use. Something to play with. I still get hacked off when sites don&#039;t use the &#039;print&#039; type.

@Rob - I still use an older CRT at home, because they are supposed to be better for gaming (refresh rate). At least that used to be true? Not sure if it still is?  I&#039;m sure we will all be using the flat widescreens before too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cpradio and John &#8211; good call, smaller screens are certainly something to consider too. There is that CSS media type &#8216;handheld&#8217; that I would think you could use? I haven&#8217;t used the &#8216;handheld&#8217; type yet, but I imagine it would be similar to the &#8216;print&#8217; type that I do use. Something to play with. I still get hacked off when sites don&#8217;t use the &#8216;print&#8217; type.</p>
<p>@Rob &#8211; I still use an older CRT at home, because they are supposed to be better for gaming (refresh rate). At least that used to be true? Not sure if it still is?  I&#8217;m sure we will all be using the flat widescreens before too long.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only do you need to think about bigger screens and higher screen resolutions, but also smaller screens too. There are already more mobile phones in existence than desktop PCs and trends indicate that an increasing large number of those users are now accessing the Internet from their handheld devices.

So if anything, I&#039;d be more concerned about sites that fall apart on smaller screens than those that leave empty space on bigger screens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only do you need to think about bigger screens and higher screen resolutions, but also smaller screens too. There are already more mobile phones in existence than desktop PCs and trends indicate that an increasing large number of those users are now accessing the Internet from their handheld devices.</p>
<p>So if anything, I&#8217;d be more concerned about sites that fall apart on smaller screens than those that leave empty space on bigger screens.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just pondering a related point with the guys at work today - will widescreen become the de facto standard for PCs?  

Already, you might be hard-pressed to find a consumer-grade notebook released in the past 3 months that&#039;s not widescreen.  And I&#039;ve noticed that the major PC vendors are pushing widescreen monitors with their desktops more &amp; more.

So, will the &quot;normal&quot; aspect ratio monitor most of currently have in the near future become as outdated as CRT monitors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just pondering a related point with the guys at work today &#8211; will widescreen become the de facto standard for PCs?  </p>
<p>Already, you might be hard-pressed to find a consumer-grade notebook released in the past 3 months that&#8217;s not widescreen.  And I&#8217;ve noticed that the major PC vendors are pushing widescreen monitors with their desktops more &amp; more.</p>
<p>So, will the &#8220;normal&#8221; aspect ratio monitor most of currently have in the near future become as outdated as CRT monitors?</p>
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		<title>By: cpradio</title>
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		<dc:creator>cpradio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frenzie, I think that is a good point to make, as more browser take proper use of max-width and min-width or make use of them at all, designs will change to help use those.

I have also been wondering what type of affect the iPhone is going to play on development in the near future too.  With smart phones becoming more and more popular due to good design and a ton of features that everyone wants and doesn&#039;t feel overwhelm by, we may see max-width and min-width put in a lot more different ways and probably stylesheets loaded dynamically based on the technology/device being used versus the browser being used.

In either situation, I look forward to better CSS, better JavaScript, and the technological advances that drive HD and smart phones into the price ranges of the Average Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frenzie, I think that is a good point to make, as more browser take proper use of max-width and min-width or make use of them at all, designs will change to help use those.</p>
<p>I have also been wondering what type of affect the iPhone is going to play on development in the near future too.  With smart phones becoming more and more popular due to good design and a ton of features that everyone wants and doesn&#8217;t feel overwhelm by, we may see max-width and min-width put in a lot more different ways and probably stylesheets loaded dynamically based on the technology/device being used versus the browser being used.</p>
<p>In either situation, I look forward to better CSS, better JavaScript, and the technological advances that drive HD and smart phones into the price ranges of the Average Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Frenzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking more of appliance of max-width (and possibly min-width) than fixed design. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking more of appliance of max-width (and possibly min-width) than fixed design. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Golgotha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golgotha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frenzie - Oh, I&#039;m certainly not saying that a fixed design isn&#039;t good. Nor am I saying, just because there is zero unused space that it&#039;s a better design. 

What I am saying is that with HDTV&#039;s and widescreen monitors becoming much more prevalent you might want to think about that in your next design layout.

I will go out on a limb and say that I think many designers use a fixed width though because it&#039;s significantly easier to design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frenzie &#8211; Oh, I&#8217;m certainly not saying that a fixed design isn&#8217;t good. Nor am I saying, just because there is zero unused space that it&#8217;s a better design. </p>
<p>What I am saying is that with HDTV&#8217;s and widescreen monitors becoming much more prevalent you might want to think about that in your next design layout.</p>
<p>I will go out on a limb and say that I think many designers use a fixed width though because it&#8217;s significantly easier to design.</p>
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		<title>By: Frenzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not have a widescreen, but on my 1280*1024 monitor I find it pleasurable to browse with a sidebar enabled in which I can manage my mail, newfeeds and other panels. I know that my mother, who uses IE7, also likes to browse with a sidebar, except she likes to have her browsing history in there (since a little more than a month she also has a 19 inch 1280*1024 monitor).

Of course the beforementioned fluid design would thus work exactly the same as if it were on a slightly lower resolution (think minus 150 to 300 pixels depending on personal preferences and resolution), but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s at all uncommon from what I see around me. The example of my mother is just because she isn&#039;t what I&#039;d call in any way a &quot;poweruser&quot; like you could probably say most of the people I know are, many of whom also use sidebars... if their resolution reasonably permits it. It&#039;s probably more common among Opera and Seamonkey users than among others though.

Aside from that, I quite like the look where not all of the screen is used, also seen on this site when you scroll down from the in-page sidebars. This is actually the main reason that I did it like that on my personal weblog. On the examples given I&#039;d say zeldman.com also looks like it was consciously intended to be like that as well, rather than an oversight. The copyblogger and zengarden layouts do have a tad of an oversight feeling over them however. Maybe it&#039;s an added feeling of luxury that you can afford to simply not use an inch or two of your screen? Just saying it&#039;s not neccesarily a bad thing to let some inches go unused. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not have a widescreen, but on my 1280*1024 monitor I find it pleasurable to browse with a sidebar enabled in which I can manage my mail, newfeeds and other panels. I know that my mother, who uses IE7, also likes to browse with a sidebar, except she likes to have her browsing history in there (since a little more than a month she also has a 19 inch 1280*1024 monitor).</p>
<p>Of course the beforementioned fluid design would thus work exactly the same as if it were on a slightly lower resolution (think minus 150 to 300 pixels depending on personal preferences and resolution), but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s at all uncommon from what I see around me. The example of my mother is just because she isn&#8217;t what I&#8217;d call in any way a &#8220;poweruser&#8221; like you could probably say most of the people I know are, many of whom also use sidebars&#8230; if their resolution reasonably permits it. It&#8217;s probably more common among Opera and Seamonkey users than among others though.</p>
<p>Aside from that, I quite like the look where not all of the screen is used, also seen on this site when you scroll down from the in-page sidebars. This is actually the main reason that I did it like that on my personal weblog. On the examples given I&#8217;d say zeldman.com also looks like it was consciously intended to be like that as well, rather than an oversight. The copyblogger and zengarden layouts do have a tad of an oversight feeling over them however. Maybe it&#8217;s an added feeling of luxury that you can afford to simply not use an inch or two of your screen? Just saying it&#8217;s not neccesarily a bad thing to let some inches go unused. <img src='http://www.search-this.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Golgotha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golgotha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Patrick - designers certainly have more to think about now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Patrick &#8211; designers certainly have more to think about now.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One counter-point to include is that Fluid Website layouts + widescreen monitors makes for long line lengths and difficult readability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One counter-point to include is that Fluid Website layouts + widescreen monitors makes for long line lengths and difficult readability.</p>
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