October 22nd, 2007 - by Golgotha

vista adoption

Anyone using Vista yet?

I haven’t felt a need to take the plunge yet, have you? Sure the Aero interface looks pretty, but that’s not enough to make me switch. I hear that setting up a home network is much improved in Vista, but right now my home network is working perfectly. Security is another thing that’s supposed to be improved with the new OS, but with ZoneAlarm Firewall and AVG anti-virus, I have yet to have a problem with security.

So the only real reason, as I see it, right now to make the switch is if you are a gamer. Windows XP is not capable of DirectX 10 like Vista’s is. If you are a gamer, and I am, then this is almost reason enough to make the switch, but there’s one problem – my Video cards. Two Geforce 7800GTX running in SLI mode are not DirectX10 capable. So once again, no reason to make the switch – yet.

Who’s made the leap to Vista and what’s your thoughts?

24 Responses to “Vista Anyone?”

1 Ghillie Suits » Vista Anyone?

[…] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here’s a quick excerpt [ vista adoption] Anyone using Vista yet? I haven’t felt a need to take the plunge yet, have you? Sure the Aero interface looks pretty, but that’s not enough to make me switch. I hear that setting up a home network is much improved in Vista, but right now my home network is working perfectly. Security is another thing that’s supposed to be […]

2 Gids

When you think of how good it was back in 2001/02 making the switch to XP; I don’t hear anyone talking about the move to Vista in the same way.
Does anyone else thank of Vista is the new Windows Millennium?

3 Golgotha

People have certainly been slow to adapt. I’m not sure if that says something for how good XP is or how little Vista’s offers.

4 Jelena

No switch for me either. I’m gonna wait one more year and see more serious response from users.
I don’t think Vista is the second Millennium, but I do have a feeling it needs some more work and service packs. :p

5 TOMAS

I’ve really been torn on upgrading to Vista. I guess when it comes down to it, I haven’t been sold on the benefits that Vista is supposed to deliver over XP. It might be a different story if I was a gamer, but for now XP (and Apple’s OS X) fits the bill perfectly when it comes to browsing and using M$ Office. I’m curious to hear from the Vista users though…

🙂

6 Stan

What is the source for the percentages displayed in this article?

7 Golgotha

@Jelena – Vista SP1 is supposed to by out Q1 of 2008.

@TOMAS – Absolutely no need to upgrade if you’re not a gamer – that I can see. But when Crysis comes out that will get me thinking about upgrading.

@Stan – PC World Magazine.

8 Max

i am using vista for about three months now and can say i really like it. its fast and its pretty.
ms did a good job on search and find capabilities, but if you are organized, you probably dont that.
they screwed up networking in my opinion. xp had it working well but now they tried to make it ubersimple with a few buttons and a fancy gui. definitely not my kind, especially because vista seems to be deciding on itself how the network should be configured, sometimes overriding my settings. might be a bug tho.
from what i have heard from other people there is still craploads of bugs in vista. for some unknown reason i have encountered very little of those yet. guess im lucky. anyway, i think we will see a lot more people change once service pack 1 is released in Q1 2008

9 Blakjak

I used to be and XP fan. But I also used to be a gamer, and I am a programmer (web, apps and OpenGL).

DX10 aside, Vista doesn’t have a lot to offer, gamers or otherwise

It uses more system resources than XP for the base OS and all you really get for it is Aero, which, while pretty, isn’t all that special compared to other pretty shells on other system.Honesty I usually disabled the XP themes, and I’d do the same with Aero.

To your questions: My games generally ran ~80% the FPS that they did on XP, and more importantly they FELT slow and clunky, and I had trouble with drivers (though this is always the case for new OSs)

Admittedly my hardware is a bit old (from a gamer point of view) – AMD64-3000+ with ATI9800PRO 1.5GB RAM SB-Live5.1 – but the fact remains, I’ve never had issues running my games on XP, but I did on Vista.

Regarding DX10… I don’t see it becoming a staple of games any time soon with the screwed up hardware support (ie last generation top-end hardware simply not supported).

Since I stopped gaming, I’ve looked at OSX and a few unix/linux distros (on the same hardware) and I’d have to say, from my experience, Ubuntu is as good as it gets. All the eye-candy, great performance and stability, and a fairly shallow learning curve for a linux OS. Also looked and PCBSD, DesktopBSD, Mandriva, Knoppix, DSL, and Suse.

If you want games and performance stick with XP. If you’re over the games, Ubuntu takes the cake. If you want to waste money on crap software to suck all the joy out of 1337 hardware, Vista wins.

10 John

I upgraded to Vista cos I needed a new PC and you can’t get them pre-built anymore with XP installed (apparently all the XP installation CDs went back to MS when Vista came out).
So, my thoughts are that for the most part I’ve not had many problems. All my programs work fine and networking’s not been a problem, but it does lock up on me – a lot – a total screen freeze like I used to get when I used to use Macs exclusively (back in OS8.x days).

11 Golgotha

@Blakjak – good post. The only person I know that upgraded to Vista, also a gamer, had terrible driver problems.

I will probably wait on Vista until I get a new computer. Likely Q1 of 2009. My rig now is still pretty solid.

12 Blakjak

@John – yeah lots of people have upgraded for the same reason. However, such is the disappointment of the industry @ vista that it has spawned a movement by some major OEMs to re-introduce XP lines and even introduce non-windows lines (dell and acer now offer systems with linux pre-installed, http://www.acer.com.au/Acer/akc/commercialpc.nsf/Page/Acer_and_Linux?open&current=8.1.1&ms=expand&
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs).

Meanwhile you should be able to use your old XP disc with your new system, and if you’re gonna be gaming, I highly recommend it.

13 Robin

I got Vista on my new laptop. My findings are that I’m going to sell it and buy a macbook instead.

14 Golgotha

@Robin – wow, it’s that bad? Why?

15 trademark registration

I would stay away from Vista if possible. The reason is that Microsoft itself has unveiled a Vista-to-XP DOWNGRADE. Haha. Check it out here: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34015/140/. If Microsoft isn’t confident enough in Vista, why should I be?

16 Wen Design Media

Personally, I have nothing against Vista, but what I don’t understand is why Microsoft created an OS that would force users to upgrade there PC ??!
Following Microsoft’s logic, you should buy a brand new PC with at least 2G of RAM in order to run vista…Well, I’ll rather stick to XP.

17 Jayson

This is a little old! Have you switched yet? I’m not a gamer but the organization of Vista is a lot more appealing to me than XP. It’s just a lot easier to organize and find things…just a few changes or additions and it seems like it’s made a world of difference.

18 Golgotha

Nope, I haven’t. I’ll wait till SP1 or better. XP is working just fine.

19 Blakjak

Jayson, I was forced to use Vista at work for a while. It ran like a pig on my shiny new Core2 Duo 2.4 with 3GB of ram.

I’d say still not worth it. After a month of Vista chugging and randomly hanging, I convinced work to let me install Ubuntu 7.10-64bit and I’ve never been happier or more productive.

If you need to run games, use XP. If you only need other windows apps, try one of the “friendly” linux distros with an XP VM.

If not for the games on XP, every system I own would have Ubuntu.

20 Golgotha

Actually, if it weren’t for games I would probably be on a Mac 🙂

21 Web Design Media

And who would like an OS that force you to buy a new PC with much RAM and high processor speed. An OS should be made in order ‘installable’ on most PC’s…

22 Blakjak

@web Design Media

I refer you to Xubuntu… Ubuntu linux with the XFCE desktop GUI. it’s lightning quick and allows you to run all the same desktop apps that Ubuntu (with GNOME GUI) does, but with a fraction of the already fairly moderate system requirements. I’ve run it quite happily on an old P2-300 with 128 ram.

And then, of course, there is XP-Lite… a hack of XP that has a fraction of the system requirements of XP itself with almost all the same compatibility (I used to run this on an AMD400 with 64mb). And then there is 98lite which has an install footprint of 50mb and runs quick on 15yo hardware, not that I expect anyone has 15yo hardware, but there it is.

Stop spending your money on new hardware to run bloated software that you don’t need, this includes OSX-Leopard which run a fair bit slower on the same hardware than tiger did. R

educe your software, reuse and recycle your tired old hardware, save yourself hundreds of dollars (and thats just the cost of vista itself)

23 Web Design Media

@Blakjak:

Man!!!that’s nice comment, but be reassured…I don’t use Vista, I will never. (unless I am forced at work)
I don’t have much money, and time to spend on hardware.
Concerning xubuntu, I already tried it, and it’s nice. However, I do have a preference for Debian sarge and Fedora.
I don’t know much about XP lite…could you give me some interesting links?
Thanks

24 Blakjak

@Web Design Media
In a nutshell, XPLite (or 2000lite for the windows 200 users out there) allows you to strip the crap out of XP to reduce it to only the “features” you need. This can result in improved performance, reduced install footprint and better security.

This software does cost $40, but that’s a fraction of the cost of new hardware or Vista/OSx to give your old PC a new lease on life.

http://www.litepc.com/

A free alternative with similar results is available, it is called nLite, a have used this myself with similar success, though caution is advised, you can remove components that may break the OS installation.

http://www.nliteos.com/

More info for both of these is availble on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XPLite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLite

Or simply google either of the program names.

Btw, I am in NO WAY affiliated with the makers or distributors of XPlite or nLite, I just think they have damned good products.

Both of these programs require you to have an XP cd to use as the basis for the optimised installation.

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